Neovas! Neovas! [Archive] - MX-5 Miata Forum (2024)

VoiD

14th November 2002, 13:25

Orthonormal

14th November 2002, 14:23

sclark

14th November 2002, 14:30

J_Man

14th November 2002, 17:39

J_Man

14th November 2002, 17:54

I just found this with google:

http://member.nifty.ne.jp/taka-san/tyresize.htm

nramsey

14th November 2002, 18:00

sclark

14th November 2002, 18:25

They make a special version for the Elise that's lighter, constructed differently, and of a different compound than the other Neovas. I don't know the differences, but it's made for the lighter weight of the Elise, and those are only - what? - 400 lbs lighter than out cars?

Might be a better version for the Miata than the "normal" Neova....

VoiD

14th November 2002, 18:39

Originally posted by Orthonormal:
They have 205/45-16 listed for $140 per tire, and they even have 185/60-14 for $88 each.okay.. :D when i asked if they had 205/45/16 they told me they didn't have it.. I guess they do now!

They are a bit pricey though.. anyone know how much mileage these will get?? Hopefully much better than azenis..

Ron C

14th November 2002, 19:17

AdrenalineRacing

14th November 2002, 19:38

To those of you who inquired about the Advan Neova tires...
We are currently waiting to ship some tires from Japan along with the Jubiride IRTB kit. It will be a few weeks before they arrive. However, if you would like these tires please call us and let us know. We can put your name on a list, and take a deposit so that there will be tires for you when the shipment shows up.
We are not planning on bringing in more than 1-2 sets to stock at this time as this is an untested item for us. Anyone who is sure they would like a set in a particular size should call us to ensure that they get what they are looking for.

[ 14. November 2002, 18:39: Message edited by: Adrenaline Racing ]

VoiD

14th November 2002, 21:10

CharT

15th November 2002, 00:23

Robbi Laurenson

15th November 2002, 00:58

bwob

15th November 2002, 01:14

Neovas are the top street/track tire in Yokohama's Advan range of performance rubber sold in Japan. Only the TN-R, a track/street tire for heavyweights like GT-Rs and Supras, is marketed above the Neova.

The 195/50 15 and 205/50 15 Neovas have the carcass optimized for 'lightweight, rear-wheel drive applications', which means - according to Kitamura-san at Yokohama GHQ in Japan - the Miata with the tires having minimal mass to suit. The tires work really, really well with the Miata, which considering they were developed more-or-less for it, isn't all that surprising. The version used under the Elise is derived from the Miata-optimized carcass - though sized to fit the Elise - with a special compound and slight differences to the siping and tread pattern offeset.

It's interesting (to me at any rate) that Paradas are not marketed as performance tires in Japan, but rather they're positioned and sold as tires for dressed up vans. The website for Paradas even has a slammed Chevy Astro (!?!?) resting on a set of fat Paradas on the opening page and unlike the Neova and TN-R webpages, there's no mention whatsoever on the subject of performance in Paradaville.

bwob
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sclark

15th November 2002, 01:35

Thanks, bwob.

Once again, you've come through and answered our questions. Er, mine anyway.

-Steve

J_Man

15th November 2002, 06:01

Robbi Laurenson

15th November 2002, 10:01

Some more Lotus-centric info:

http://www.340r.net/news/neova.htm

There's an indication they're lighter but no weight given.

oversteerdawg

15th November 2002, 22:01

Icehawk

15th November 2002, 23:32

nramsey

16th November 2002, 12:26

jlb1001

16th November 2002, 13:56

They sound great, but... I'd be worried about availability. I bought a set of Pilots for cheap when they were close outs. Then I got a hole in a sidewall. No replacement available.

I'll buy ones that I can find locally.

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DILYSI (http://miata.cardomain.com/id/jlb1001)
-Joe

bwob

17th November 2002, 08:28

Bwob, any Azenis vs Neova comparison? Have you tried the Azenis and what are you comments about it?I've had seat time in a couple of Azenis-shod Miatas and they're good, especially if the cost is taken into consideration. Hell, they're close to unbeatable value if dry grip is your primary concern.

I personally like the 'feel' of Neovas more, especially near the limit as they tend to nibble a bit less while the breakaway characteristics are more progressive. The Neova's better in the wet as well.

If I bought a car with Azenis on it, I wouldn't retire them early. That's not something I can say about many tires.

The lack of DOT numbers is potentially a risk, but one which can be minimized via careful selection of exhaust, ensuring headlamps are properly aimed, foglamps aren't misused, the front plate's in place and with some attitude control. If you get my meaning.

bwob
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Jack

25th November 2002, 19:22

Has anyone imported the Neovas to Canada? Any issues at the <border> re the DOT thing.

..jack

Oh yes another possible US source

http://godspeed.hack.net/index.html

[ 25. November 2002, 22:09: Message edited by: Jack_S (Pit-Pony) ]

fangtl

25th November 2002, 21:25

There are so many good "S" tires in Japan that people are not aware of. For example, the Dunlop D01J were perhaps the best street tires I have ever driven on, but all I ever hear are Neovas, Neovas...

In fact, the D01Js are a favorite amongest Miata/Roadster enthusiasts in Japan, they are relatively inexpensive in Miata sizes, and have been track proven to be faster than every Yokohama produced product (excluding all out race tires of course). Even their D93J (more street orientated) line is superior to the Neovas. It's just a shame that we'll probably never see it legally sold here in the United States.

BTW, here's (http://www.rsw.ne.jp/newpagex.htm) a page of Miatas running these Dunlops.

[ 25. November 2002, 20:25: Message edited by: fangtl ]

bwob

26th November 2002, 10:48

...all I ever hear are Neovas, Neovas...Merely because they are great, great, great.

bwob
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fangtl

26th November 2002, 12:08

bwob: how would you rank the following tires in terms of street use and track use?

*Dunlop D01J and D93J (I think they are available down under)
*Falken Azenis RS
*Advan NEOVA
*Bridgestone S03

Mack

26th November 2002, 12:24

Adrenaline Racing has posted weights for common Miata sizes:

195/50-15 -$102.96/tire (8.4kg)=18.5lbs
205/50-15 -$122.72/tire (8.9kg)=19.6lbs

Board concensus is that Azenis weigh about 22lb or 10kg. If tread life is comparable to Azenis, I may go for a set. Edit: <Falken claims 22.6lb. weight for 205/50-15 Azenis. Honda guys have posted 23lbs.>

Bwob, any comments/observations on Neova tread life?

[ 03. December 2002, 21:39: Message edited by: Mack ]

cvl

27th November 2002, 01:28

fangtl

27th November 2002, 01:46

bbbradley

27th November 2002, 08:37

Originally posted by fangtl:
Originally posted by cvl:
The D01J is not a street tire, it's a competition tire. It meets the very minimum requirements for the streetCan't have your cake and eat it too...read what you wrote again.I think he means while it is approved for the street, though no one would use it as a daily driver tire. Hoosiers are DOT approved, how many of those do you see on a daily driver though?

/bill

fangtl

27th November 2002, 10:38

Originally posted by bbbradley:
Hoosiers are DOT approved, how many of those do you see on a daily driver though?

/billNot many, although I do know a lot of Miata (and other euthusiasts) owners who use V700s, RA1s, and A032 on the street. Hoosiers are just on one side of the extreme. Yes, D01J/D93Js are more track orientated tires, that's why they are designated them as "S" tires (Semi-Racing Tire), but their tread design allows them to be very good foul weather tires. Now, back on the Neovas and compare them with what tires we are able to get. Are they really the "best" given the prices provided?

VoiD

27th November 2002, 11:57

cvl

27th November 2002, 12:30

fangtl

27th November 2002, 13:29

JasonC SBB

27th November 2002, 17:11

cvl

28th November 2002, 04:09

Are you sure that the Neovas are the same? I seem to remember them being normal tread depth. If that's the case, then they are true street tires. With them costing as much as they do, I'd certainly like to get more than 6,000 miles out of them.

I don't see the tread depth listed on Dunlop's site.

bwob

2nd December 2002, 23:14

bwob: how would you rank the following tires in terms of street use and track use?

Dunlop D01J and D93J (I think they are available down under) Falken Azenis RS Advan NEOVA Bridgestone S03In order asked;
The D01J's a damn good track tire, but it's biased a smidgen too much for track use for my taste and use. Additionally, it copes very poorly with coarse-chip surfaces (like a lot of Japanese tires, to be honest) and isn't particularly impressive in the wet. If you spent the lion's share of your time on teh track in a dry area, it's a good 'un.

I've never driven a Miata (or any rear-driver) shod with D93J's. My sole exposure to the tire was on an excessively turbocharged Toyota Vitz which had far more power than suspension, so the poor tire was being asked to make up the difference. It wasn't too good, but the suspension had more to do with that than the tire. I hope.

The Azenis is grippier than a boxcar full of superglue and is cheap in North America as such rubber goes. In my experience it's not happy if standing water's a factor and the tire's not to my own taste as regards transient response.

The Neova in Miata-friendly 15-inch applications hits all my own sweet spots; transient response is sharper than Rowan Atkinson's wit, the grip is all I want (and a little bit more) and they don't go all spastic when water's afactor. As an added plus they work well with the coarse-chip surfaces which are the norm in Oz and even ride in a surprisningly civilised manner for a 195/50. Price in the 'States is indeed a negative as is the lack of DOT numbers. Despite working well on the street, Neovas are competitive on the track. But they are a notch below the D01J's in terms of ultimate track performance. My own bias is street/track, not track/street, which is why I favor the Neovas. And I like the weight. Or lack of same.

I like S03s, and overall they are my second favorite in this mob. Better balanced overall than Azenis, but pricier, too.

Bwob, any comments/observations on Neova tread life?One happy Eunos Roadster owner I know averages about 35,000km a set, and this includes typically two trips to the track each month from late April through mid-October. Not bad, though I'd probably squeeze a bit more out of a set that that.
bwob
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[ 03. December 2002, 08:25: Message edited by: bwob ]

Jack

5th December 2002, 10:09

sclark

5th December 2002, 13:13

If you do a search on Neova's, you'll find some commentary from bwob's brother-in-law who's been driving on them out in Cali. He seemed to like them too, IIRC.

-s

Jack

8th June 2003, 22:09

Anyone driving on these yet?

also see

http://www.miataforum.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=010674

for a possible source.

Gord96BRG

9th June 2003, 00:37

Originally posted by Jack_S (Pit-Pony):
Anyone driving on these yet? Clyde (LotusGuy) did bring a set of the 195/50-15 over. He posted that first impressions were very positive, but we haven't heard further from him about them.

Regards,
Gordon

bwob

9th June 2003, 04:12

Perhaps he's having too much fun on 'em to waste time in front of a computer.

Still, it'd be nice to get some additional insight on them.

bwob
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VoiD

9th June 2003, 14:12

Lotus Guy

9th June 2003, 17:19

Perhaps he's having too much fun on 'em to waste time in front of a computer.

Still, it'd be nice to get some additional insight on them.
--Sorry guys. Work has me bogged down. Lots of stuff to do to get the elise here.
clyde

Lotus Guy

9th June 2003, 17:52

Jack

9th June 2003, 18:56

Only thing with rare tires, I'll have to buy 5 just in case or 2 full sets. Would be nice if I found someone up this way who wants a set than we could buy 2sets+1.

I'm looking into shipping costs to Canada east coast.

AdrenalineRacing

9th June 2003, 20:34

Hey Jack..
I'm still slogging through legal mumbo jumob on my side trying to figure out whether Canada will let these into the country without hassles.

Problem with Customs clearance is that They'll let you *ship* an item all day long...they just won't actually let it into the country after its shipped.

*sigh*

Jack

9th June 2003, 23:18

Eddie

I have not called them but I don't see how they would care, I don't think Canada uses the US DOT stamp and if it's stated for track use I don't think it's a problem anyway.

Let me know if you need any help from me. Maybe you can e-mail me the full tire info and I can make a call from here.

Lotus Guy

10th June 2003, 10:03

Hi Jack,

You wouldn't happen to know any of the Bezanson's up there in NS?

Clyde

LRR

10th June 2003, 12:12

Jack

11th June 2003, 13:45